Just kidding :-p
Tom Hayden on the HuffenPuff Post shows once again that the playbook we see today isn't 2005 but 1973.
The anti-war movement of old's vanguard who got all snuggly with communists are still around and becoming mentors to the vanguard of the new anti-war movement
Saturday, November 19, 2005
Question this~!
I’ve been wanting to write a post like this for a while digging about I would like to say something on the issue. And as the Moonbat moment of the congress digests in my head I figured why not do it now?
Being against the war isn’t unpatriotic but some folks are being against the war in an unpatriotic way. So I think I should clarify what I personally see as the difference.
((And I may re-add to this list as time rolls on))
Now you can still be unpatriotic in an action without being unpatriotic in character. Like many people are unaware that Marxist-Leninist and Marxist-Stalinist movements are the major sponsors of the large anti-war protests in the country. It’s about acts of commission. You find yourself in a protest where people have signs showing “Death to capitalism, death to America.” And “Osama Bin Laden is right” you have a choice… do you choose to be a principled and patriotic opponent of the war or do you embrace the insane fringe to help your cause. When you sell your soul that’s when you commit a unpatriotic act.
Also even great patriots who fought and were brutally wounded in the field of battle can have unpatriotic moments which don’t negate their earlier patriotism. There is a different patriotism in peace then there is on the battle field
Protesting against the War:patriotic
Protesting against the War in a rally done by Communist parties (that were Pro-Saddam, Milosevic, Kim Jung Il, Castro, etc) –especially ones funded by a government at war with the US-: Utterly Unpatriotic.
Protesting Things like Abu Ghraib and demanding accountability: Patriotic
Making up false war crimes: Unpatriotic
Making fake evidence of fake war crimes: utterly unpatriotic
Circulating false war crimes after they are exposed as false: Unpatriotic
Rallying with people who promote false War crimes: Unpatriotic
Voting against the War: Patriotic
Voting for the war, but being against it when it politically benefits you: Utterly Unpatriotic.
Voting for the war, but claiming you were mislead by documents you never read: Unpatriotic
Serving in the Military: Patriotic
Serving in the Military, then opposing the war: Patriotic
Serving in the Military and thus claiming you are above reproach on issues of the war (or any war): Unpatriotic
Serving in the Military then making up fake war crimes: Utterly Unpatriotic
Presenting false information about the war effort to try to sway public opinion against the war: Unpatriotic
Presenting false information about the war to try and sway the public against the war and make millions of dollars off of it: Utterly Unpatriotic
Presenting true information about the faults of the war effort to try to help the soldiers: Patriotic
Protesting the war because you think War is wrong: Patriotic (if you opposed every other war in the last 25 years)
Protesting the war because you think War is wrong: (but you seem to never protest when a democrat is in office) Unpatriotic
Protesting the war if you think THIS war is wrong: patriotic
Protesting the war by saying the president is “Chimpy McHitlerburton, a Liar, the new Hitler,…etc.” Unpatriotic
Protesting the war by saying the war wasn’t “adequately planned, and ill concived”: Patriotic
Protesting the war by saying “No war for Israel, No War for the jews, … etc”: Utterly Unpatriotic
Protesting the war once the body count got to high: Unpatriotic
Protesting the war once you lost a loved one and felt the losses were to high: patriotic
Protesting the war by saying this country “Isn’t worth dying for”: Unpatriotic
Protesting the war by advocating major crimes (especially violent crimes): Unpatriotic
Protesting the war because you oppose the suppression of constitutional rights which has occurred during the war: utterly patriotic
Protesting the war because you are an isolationist: patriotic
Protesting the war because you thought the UN should be in charge: Unpatriotic
Protesting the war by going to protests endorsed by cop-killers and promoted as such: unpatriotic
Calling some one a Chickenhawk because they refused to serve: Unpatriotic
Calling some one who has a yellow ribbon on their car a chicken hawk or denigrating them when you don’t contribute to any charities that help soldiers families: Unpatriotic
Calling some one who has a yellow ribbon on their car a chicken hawk or denigrating them when you do contribute to any charities that help soldiers families: Unpatriotic (but just barely)
Protesting hospitals where people who are wounded from the war are recovering: Utterly Unpatriotic
Raising money for DOVE candidates: Patriotic
Voting for Dove Candidates: Patriotic
Voting or raising money for a Dove Candidate who does numerous of the above mentioned unpatriotic acts: unpatriotic
Organizing “teach ins” about the war that provide information and don’t demagogue people on the issues of the war: patriotic
Organizing “teach ins” about the war that bash politicians on matters other then policy (“Christian take over of America, Neo-Colonial Imperialists, Etc.): Unpatriotic
Voting for the 87 billion dollars, before you voted against it: Unpatriotic
Protesting the war because the government is racist/sexist/bigoted (but also protesting the people we are at war with for being even more so): Patriotic if not out of control
Protesting the war because the government is bigoted (but not protesting far worse and far eviler bigotry in the people we war with): Unpatriotic
Protesting the war if you talk about how wonderful and free totalitarian regimes are (Like Iraq or Cuba): Unpatriotic
Disrupting supplies to the military through non violent protest (that are for weapons systems): Patriotic
Disrupting military supplies of any other type through non violent protest: Unpatriotic
Claiming the soldiers will come back insane/brain damaged/etc: Unpatriotic (and largely untrue in Vietnam’s case)
Claiming race x serves on the front lines and is being killed in a genocidal way (when it is untrue): utterly unpatriotic
Calling for a pull out of the war when the military is already engineering one (and thus doing it for political gain): Unpatriotic
Claiming the government lied to get us into war without presenting the lies: unpatriotic
Claiming a draft is coming to get people to oppose the war when that is untrue: Unpatriotic
Meeting with a foreign head of state who is hostile to the US or a group the US is currently in hostilities with the US to plan protests: Unpatriotic
As I said I will add/flesh out/diversify this list as time goes on.
I take suggestions from you in the gallery of peanut
Being against the war isn’t unpatriotic but some folks are being against the war in an unpatriotic way. So I think I should clarify what I personally see as the difference.
((And I may re-add to this list as time rolls on))
Now you can still be unpatriotic in an action without being unpatriotic in character. Like many people are unaware that Marxist-Leninist and Marxist-Stalinist movements are the major sponsors of the large anti-war protests in the country. It’s about acts of commission. You find yourself in a protest where people have signs showing “Death to capitalism, death to America.” And “Osama Bin Laden is right” you have a choice… do you choose to be a principled and patriotic opponent of the war or do you embrace the insane fringe to help your cause. When you sell your soul that’s when you commit a unpatriotic act.
Also even great patriots who fought and were brutally wounded in the field of battle can have unpatriotic moments which don’t negate their earlier patriotism. There is a different patriotism in peace then there is on the battle field
Protesting against the War:patriotic
Protesting against the War in a rally done by Communist parties (that were Pro-Saddam, Milosevic, Kim Jung Il, Castro, etc) –especially ones funded by a government at war with the US-: Utterly Unpatriotic.
Protesting Things like Abu Ghraib and demanding accountability: Patriotic
Making up false war crimes: Unpatriotic
Making fake evidence of fake war crimes: utterly unpatriotic
Circulating false war crimes after they are exposed as false: Unpatriotic
Rallying with people who promote false War crimes: Unpatriotic
Voting against the War: Patriotic
Voting for the war, but being against it when it politically benefits you: Utterly Unpatriotic.
Voting for the war, but claiming you were mislead by documents you never read: Unpatriotic
Serving in the Military: Patriotic
Serving in the Military, then opposing the war: Patriotic
Serving in the Military and thus claiming you are above reproach on issues of the war (or any war): Unpatriotic
Serving in the Military then making up fake war crimes: Utterly Unpatriotic
Presenting false information about the war effort to try to sway public opinion against the war: Unpatriotic
Presenting false information about the war to try and sway the public against the war and make millions of dollars off of it: Utterly Unpatriotic
Presenting true information about the faults of the war effort to try to help the soldiers: Patriotic
Protesting the war because you think War is wrong: Patriotic (if you opposed every other war in the last 25 years)
Protesting the war because you think War is wrong: (but you seem to never protest when a democrat is in office) Unpatriotic
Protesting the war if you think THIS war is wrong: patriotic
Protesting the war by saying the president is “Chimpy McHitlerburton, a Liar, the new Hitler,…etc.” Unpatriotic
Protesting the war by saying the war wasn’t “adequately planned, and ill concived”: Patriotic
Protesting the war by saying “No war for Israel, No War for the jews, … etc”: Utterly Unpatriotic
Protesting the war once the body count got to high: Unpatriotic
Protesting the war once you lost a loved one and felt the losses were to high: patriotic
Protesting the war by saying this country “Isn’t worth dying for”: Unpatriotic
Protesting the war by advocating major crimes (especially violent crimes): Unpatriotic
Protesting the war because you oppose the suppression of constitutional rights which has occurred during the war: utterly patriotic
Protesting the war because you are an isolationist: patriotic
Protesting the war because you thought the UN should be in charge: Unpatriotic
Protesting the war by going to protests endorsed by cop-killers and promoted as such: unpatriotic
Calling some one a Chickenhawk because they refused to serve: Unpatriotic
Calling some one who has a yellow ribbon on their car a chicken hawk or denigrating them when you don’t contribute to any charities that help soldiers families: Unpatriotic
Calling some one who has a yellow ribbon on their car a chicken hawk or denigrating them when you do contribute to any charities that help soldiers families: Unpatriotic (but just barely)
Protesting hospitals where people who are wounded from the war are recovering: Utterly Unpatriotic
Raising money for DOVE candidates: Patriotic
Voting for Dove Candidates: Patriotic
Voting or raising money for a Dove Candidate who does numerous of the above mentioned unpatriotic acts: unpatriotic
Organizing “teach ins” about the war that provide information and don’t demagogue people on the issues of the war: patriotic
Organizing “teach ins” about the war that bash politicians on matters other then policy (“Christian take over of America, Neo-Colonial Imperialists, Etc.): Unpatriotic
Voting for the 87 billion dollars, before you voted against it: Unpatriotic
Protesting the war because the government is racist/sexist/bigoted (but also protesting the people we are at war with for being even more so): Patriotic if not out of control
Protesting the war because the government is bigoted (but not protesting far worse and far eviler bigotry in the people we war with): Unpatriotic
Protesting the war if you talk about how wonderful and free totalitarian regimes are (Like Iraq or Cuba): Unpatriotic
Disrupting supplies to the military through non violent protest (that are for weapons systems): Patriotic
Disrupting military supplies of any other type through non violent protest: Unpatriotic
Claiming the soldiers will come back insane/brain damaged/etc: Unpatriotic (and largely untrue in Vietnam’s case)
Claiming race x serves on the front lines and is being killed in a genocidal way (when it is untrue): utterly unpatriotic
Calling for a pull out of the war when the military is already engineering one (and thus doing it for political gain): Unpatriotic
Claiming the government lied to get us into war without presenting the lies: unpatriotic
Claiming a draft is coming to get people to oppose the war when that is untrue: Unpatriotic
Meeting with a foreign head of state who is hostile to the US or a group the US is currently in hostilities with the US to plan protests: Unpatriotic
As I said I will add/flesh out/diversify this list as time goes on.
I take suggestions from you in the gallery of peanut
What the Duce~? ( Cartoon Network)
Ban enough they butcher Japanese toons but I see they will be featuring
"Goonies" and "Batman" ( Not Batman The Animated Series) on their network soon
What the Frell man? Is Cartoon Network trying to become the new MTV and never show any cartoons again....
Stupid TV networks
"Goonies" and "Batman" ( Not Batman The Animated Series) on their network soon
What the Frell man? Is Cartoon Network trying to become the new MTV and never show any cartoons again....
Stupid TV networks
Some should ask Madonna about some things
And not just looking like a 80 year old prostitute.
Much as scientology is a kreepy Kult Madge should answer something about hers.
and This to
they have a part I and Part II to this series go see the latest evil money stealers that use celebrities to dupe the masses.
as the part II article details
check it out
Much as scientology is a kreepy Kult Madge should answer something about hers.
Berg, a former insurance salesman from Brooklyn, changed his name from Feivel Gruberger and left his first wife and seven children to become the spiritual leader and pyramid head of the Kabbalah business. Berg, who refers to himself as Dr., enjoys a millionaire’s lifestyle in Los Angeles. He and his current wife, Karen, set up their first center in Tel Aviv, and created a worldwide empire.
Vivienne Marco, wife of the deceased Binyamin Marco, former head of the Center, echoed Shtiglitz’s analysis. “I was head of accounting at that place many years ago,” she said. “And always, but always, there were echelons. Everyone, including myself, wanted to be close to Rabbi Berg. He was like a god for me. I shook when I was next to him. I worked for free for years, and when they wanted to change my position, I insisted on staying."
and This to
The people in the center immediately caught on that I was weak. They constantly drummed in the message that only the Center could bring the light and the messiah. The lecturers said that psychologists were not okay. All the rabbis were crap. Only rabbi Berg could do it. They told me I should buy recordings of the lectures. I sat with the disc and listened until it penetrated me - the words, what they were saying. In short, it was brainwashing.”
A year after arriving at the Center, he joined the ‘inner circle’ and slept with eight of them in a one room apartment in central Tel Aviv, on blowup mattresses placed on a highly crowded floor.
“They called me and suggested I come only for three days, to see how it is. I knew it was considered the best to be with the inner circle. So I agreed to come. And those three days turned into a week and a half, which turned into a few months.”
they have a part I and Part II to this series go see the latest evil money stealers that use celebrities to dupe the masses.
as the part II article details
The names of many celebrities are indeed linked to the Tel Aviv Center. For instance, the visit of Madonna and Rosanne Bar, as well as Israeli celebrities Adam, Orna Banai, and Orna Fitosi, and (actor) Zvulun Moshiashvili.
“I was a member of the Center until four years ago, and I left to study Hassidism,” says Zvulon.
“I felt like I was turning into Harry Potter there. I learned how to be a magician. There is a very special place there, with powerful energy, so that on Shabbat everyone comes in white," he says.
check it out
We were MISLEAD
A charge that was absurd to start out with but now I find out They didn't even read it. ( hat tip to Ace)
Demagougery from Dingy Harry Reid ahead
How do you know they Manipulated the Intelligence Harry if you never read it?
Demagougery from Dingy Harry Reid ahead
Reid said: “"We'’re talking about six senators. The answer is, if you ask me, I didnÂ’t read it. But I don'’t know who did. But there'’s a hundred senators, not six. And some members of the Intelligence Committee may have read it. I don'’t know. But the fact of the matter is —you can'’t escape this, the administration manipulated the evidence and the people who opposed them, like Amb. [Joseph] Wilson were taken to the woodshed."
How do you know they Manipulated the Intelligence Harry if you never read it?
10 things i dislike about the war effort
Ok folks I’ve been making tons and tons of –pro- war commentary lately…so let me talk for a moment about what I don’t like about the War in Iraq.
I support the war, but I don’t support the p!$$ poor way the government has set about the War.
#1 Weapons of Mass Destruction was a joke. Making the Casus Belli full court on WMD wouldn’t work. It was the best case in a strictly legal manner but in the case of attracting other nations it would never work. As we have now found out with Able Danger there is more evidence that the Prauge Incident did happen then the government made the case for. That and allegations the IA observed a Feydaheen Saddam officer was present at least one of the planning meetings does establish a far superior case of Casus Belli. The president could have also went to the American people and talked about how the United States would use the full strength of our national power to save a people from a dictator who would callously murder and torture them. We could have made a better Casus Belli to rally the support of the world… it would have less of a legal case but when everyone agrees that makes law.
#2 We dropped the ball on Turkey
We did. The US government could have made Turkey a staging ground and they blew it. That made the casualties of the actual combat period far worse… and probably lead to the drawn out “where’s Saddam” period.
#3 Powell never really challenged the Franco-German Axis of weasels in diplomatic terms.
Powell as a sec state from everything I have read sat in foggy bottom and occasionally NY. Powell needed to be out there doing counter-diplomacy to DeVillpen… or he needed to be canned. Bush in his pandering to get African-American voters put perhaps the worst Secretary of state in modern US history into office during a time when we needed some one with fat diplomatic skills.
#4 THE RED LINE AROUND BAGHDAD.
Saddam was never going to use Chemical and Biological weapons on US troops. The assertion he was by our military and our government may rank as one of the ten dumbest things they have ever said. Not only was preparing for this foolish, selling it to the media was foolish because it helped to build the case for the US war as “the gang that couldn’t shoot straight”
On top of that in the first gulf war Dick Cheney (yes that Dick Cheney) hinted the US would use any weapons in their arsenal to respond to such an attack. Saddam’s security team would have remembered this. So first and foremost they would have to worry just how far unconventionally against their men the US would go.
Then you have to go to folks like Lt. Ahmed. Lt. Ahmed may indeed have orders to use a VX artillery shell. But Lt. Ahmed knows if Iraq loses, he will be guilty of war crimes (and possibly executed). There is a very huge difference to fanatical loyalty to a brutal dictator and going down the drain with him.
#5 Putting the US Millitary in charge of occupation.
The US military has only twice in its 230 or so year History gotten occupations of countries right. Wanna know all the places they got it wrong.. Well most of Central America and the Caribbean have been occupied and administered by the US military once or twice (and one case 3 times)… only countries who are economically stable are wellllll Japan and Germany. And those occupations were hardly just the Military either.
Now beyond that the US Millitary has a very “Guns and Butter” budget philosophy. If they have a insufficient amount of money in the guns budget some where they will take it out of the butter budget. So more soft scale projects like “Hey lets train locals to take over security” fell by the wayside when IED’s were happening and dirty terrorists needed to die.
#6 Not planning for Prisoners.
Geee now Larry can’t you cut them a break. How were they supposed to know they’d have all these POWs. Well gosh that’s a good point when did they have something comparable… Oh yeah the first gulf war where most of the Iraqi units put up white flags. Add to that we had US prison guards who tend to be the type of guys who are in National Guard and reserve units assigned to do things other then… well guarding prisoners. They had a good core of people who could have been assigned and transferred to do the job. Not giving the MP’s the training in how to deal with that was ludicrous. Not ensuring the discipline was tight in those units lead to the sexual sadism of the Abu Ghraib gang.
#7 Not Planning for “Hate America” fest
Look when the US militarizes heavily and has since the Cold War era an amazing thing happens in Europe. They start to hate America as an Imperialist Aggressor. And as goes Europe so goes the NYTimes. As goes the Times so goes the US media. I hate to use the word propaganda because the connotation is so negative but the US media was going to embrace the Weasel Axis and our government wasn’t prepared for it. Had the government been fighting for hearts and minds here we’d have more resolve over there.
#8 Not Handling the UN during the reconstruction
Had the UN not withdrawn from Iraq after the attacks on their mission early in the post war period we’d be out of Iraq right now. The UN ran for the hills and our government didn’t pressure the UN to stand its ground effectively.
#9 Calling a rat hole a spider hole
We allow to much pro-islamist propaganda to be repeated by out military to sound culturally sensitive. We need to stop that
#10 Imbeded media
I think it set the wrong relationship with the press. I think if we handled them as we did during the First gulf war we’d not be losing on the home front as we are.
I support the war, but I don’t support the p!$$ poor way the government has set about the War.
#1 Weapons of Mass Destruction was a joke. Making the Casus Belli full court on WMD wouldn’t work. It was the best case in a strictly legal manner but in the case of attracting other nations it would never work. As we have now found out with Able Danger there is more evidence that the Prauge Incident did happen then the government made the case for. That and allegations the IA observed a Feydaheen Saddam officer was present at least one of the planning meetings does establish a far superior case of Casus Belli. The president could have also went to the American people and talked about how the United States would use the full strength of our national power to save a people from a dictator who would callously murder and torture them. We could have made a better Casus Belli to rally the support of the world… it would have less of a legal case but when everyone agrees that makes law.
#2 We dropped the ball on Turkey
We did. The US government could have made Turkey a staging ground and they blew it. That made the casualties of the actual combat period far worse… and probably lead to the drawn out “where’s Saddam” period.
#3 Powell never really challenged the Franco-German Axis of weasels in diplomatic terms.
Powell as a sec state from everything I have read sat in foggy bottom and occasionally NY. Powell needed to be out there doing counter-diplomacy to DeVillpen… or he needed to be canned. Bush in his pandering to get African-American voters put perhaps the worst Secretary of state in modern US history into office during a time when we needed some one with fat diplomatic skills.
#4 THE RED LINE AROUND BAGHDAD.
Saddam was never going to use Chemical and Biological weapons on US troops. The assertion he was by our military and our government may rank as one of the ten dumbest things they have ever said. Not only was preparing for this foolish, selling it to the media was foolish because it helped to build the case for the US war as “the gang that couldn’t shoot straight”
On top of that in the first gulf war Dick Cheney (yes that Dick Cheney) hinted the US would use any weapons in their arsenal to respond to such an attack. Saddam’s security team would have remembered this. So first and foremost they would have to worry just how far unconventionally against their men the US would go.
Then you have to go to folks like Lt. Ahmed. Lt. Ahmed may indeed have orders to use a VX artillery shell. But Lt. Ahmed knows if Iraq loses, he will be guilty of war crimes (and possibly executed). There is a very huge difference to fanatical loyalty to a brutal dictator and going down the drain with him.
#5 Putting the US Millitary in charge of occupation.
The US military has only twice in its 230 or so year History gotten occupations of countries right. Wanna know all the places they got it wrong.. Well most of Central America and the Caribbean have been occupied and administered by the US military once or twice (and one case 3 times)… only countries who are economically stable are wellllll Japan and Germany. And those occupations were hardly just the Military either.
Now beyond that the US Millitary has a very “Guns and Butter” budget philosophy. If they have a insufficient amount of money in the guns budget some where they will take it out of the butter budget. So more soft scale projects like “Hey lets train locals to take over security” fell by the wayside when IED’s were happening and dirty terrorists needed to die.
#6 Not planning for Prisoners.
Geee now Larry can’t you cut them a break. How were they supposed to know they’d have all these POWs. Well gosh that’s a good point when did they have something comparable… Oh yeah the first gulf war where most of the Iraqi units put up white flags. Add to that we had US prison guards who tend to be the type of guys who are in National Guard and reserve units assigned to do things other then… well guarding prisoners. They had a good core of people who could have been assigned and transferred to do the job. Not giving the MP’s the training in how to deal with that was ludicrous. Not ensuring the discipline was tight in those units lead to the sexual sadism of the Abu Ghraib gang.
#7 Not Planning for “Hate America” fest
Look when the US militarizes heavily and has since the Cold War era an amazing thing happens in Europe. They start to hate America as an Imperialist Aggressor. And as goes Europe so goes the NYTimes. As goes the Times so goes the US media. I hate to use the word propaganda because the connotation is so negative but the US media was going to embrace the Weasel Axis and our government wasn’t prepared for it. Had the government been fighting for hearts and minds here we’d have more resolve over there.
#8 Not Handling the UN during the reconstruction
Had the UN not withdrawn from Iraq after the attacks on their mission early in the post war period we’d be out of Iraq right now. The UN ran for the hills and our government didn’t pressure the UN to stand its ground effectively.
#9 Calling a rat hole a spider hole
We allow to much pro-islamist propaganda to be repeated by out military to sound culturally sensitive. We need to stop that
#10 Imbeded media
I think it set the wrong relationship with the press. I think if we handled them as we did during the First gulf war we’d not be losing on the home front as we are.
Withdrawl MANIA wrap up
Now with something which passes for sleep and being out of the thick of the events lets talk with more sober and cooler heads about Withdrawlmania.
The Provisional Iraqi government has been talking about a Withdrawl starting after the first full parliamentary elections.
The US Military said it could start some time In January or febuary.... March at the latest. The reality is troops were going to be gradually tuned down.
Then a little thing like Hurricane Katrina happened and the President's aura of kick-arse was reduced and people begin to fault washington for everything ( even stuff that wasn't their fault)
Into this enviroment we have Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid pull stunts along the "Bush Lied" Meme. In the senate first, and then in the house proposal to withdraw troops came out. Representative Murtha as a trusted military aide to Nancy Pelosi was acting as a political agent. And with his connection to the pentagon... those elements that are there forever he would have known plans for troop reductions were making their way up the pipe. He was pulling a stunt.
Listen to his repeating his speech and some of the shrill talking points of the democrats during his floor speech and you see the scripting of partisan hackery.
Not to be outdone the Republicans gave the Democrats a chance up or down to vote the Kossak-DU-Moveon platform on Iraq. The Democrats didn't play this out politically... instead they in a almost drinking game like fashion said every party and left wing group buzz word about the war in Iraq. They did this without actually talking -about- the war.
The Republicans thumped their chests and made vauge implications ( and some not so vauge) about the spines and colors of them about the Democrats.
A game deserved a game... it deserved a massive PRESENT vote. Only 6 Democrats were smart enough to do that.
Of the 3 nays were the creme de la creme of the moonbat fringe.
We didn't have a real debate on Iraq we had ego's petted and people talking about how great the other guys service was while hiding the dripping dagger in their cloak.
All of it was a show folks, a show that in the end ment nothing.
The Provisional Iraqi government has been talking about a Withdrawl starting after the first full parliamentary elections.
The US Military said it could start some time In January or febuary.... March at the latest. The reality is troops were going to be gradually tuned down.
Then a little thing like Hurricane Katrina happened and the President's aura of kick-arse was reduced and people begin to fault washington for everything ( even stuff that wasn't their fault)
Into this enviroment we have Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid pull stunts along the "Bush Lied" Meme. In the senate first, and then in the house proposal to withdraw troops came out. Representative Murtha as a trusted military aide to Nancy Pelosi was acting as a political agent. And with his connection to the pentagon... those elements that are there forever he would have known plans for troop reductions were making their way up the pipe. He was pulling a stunt.
Listen to his repeating his speech and some of the shrill talking points of the democrats during his floor speech and you see the scripting of partisan hackery.
Not to be outdone the Republicans gave the Democrats a chance up or down to vote the Kossak-DU-Moveon platform on Iraq. The Democrats didn't play this out politically... instead they in a almost drinking game like fashion said every party and left wing group buzz word about the war in Iraq. They did this without actually talking -about- the war.
The Republicans thumped their chests and made vauge implications ( and some not so vauge) about the spines and colors of them about the Democrats.
A game deserved a game... it deserved a massive PRESENT vote. Only 6 Democrats were smart enough to do that.
Of the 3 nays were the creme de la creme of the moonbat fringe.
We didn't have a real debate on Iraq we had ego's petted and people talking about how great the other guys service was while hiding the dripping dagger in their cloak.
All of it was a show folks, a show that in the end ment nothing.
And the ultimate sign the whole withdrawl resolution was worthless
Al-Cnn
But Al-CNN has failed to make a headline and a lead quote that goes with what the story says
I am sure their are plans on a pentagon shelf somewhere to invade the vatican if we have to.
But in the end everyone said following these december elections we would probably see withdrawls... said it for some time now.
The house democrats media whority gives them a chance to claim credit for it while they were "speaking the truth to power."
amd they boosted troop levels for the elections so this is a win no matter how you play it out.
Sadly politics not policy has been governing this war for a while
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The top U.S. commander in Iraq has submitted a plan to the Pentagon for withdrawing troops in Iraq, according to a senior defense official.
But Al-CNN has failed to make a headline and a lead quote that goes with what the story says
Gen. George Casey submitted the plan to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. It includes numerous options and recommends that brigades -- usually made up of about 2,000 soldiers each -- begin pulling out of Iraq early next year.
I am sure their are plans on a pentagon shelf somewhere to invade the vatican if we have to.
But in the end everyone said following these december elections we would probably see withdrawls... said it for some time now.
The house democrats media whority gives them a chance to claim credit for it while they were "speaking the truth to power."
amd they boosted troop levels for the elections so this is a win no matter how you play it out.
Sadly politics not policy has been governing this war for a while
(Haptanghaiti: Song 1.2 = Yasna 35-2)
We belong to Good Thoughts, Good Words,
Good Deeds -- done and to be done,
Now and henceforth.
We are, accordingly, the praisers
And invokers of all that is good.
Good Deeds -- done and to be done,
Now and henceforth.
We are, accordingly, the praisers
And invokers of all that is good.
To the folks at time
My blog is worth $58,147.62.
How much is your blog worth?
and I'd be willing to brand myself to TIME for that much money plus a small salary
Friday, November 18, 2005
One positive thing about Murtha
Right now he is going off on something that is completely legitimate.
We need to completely revamp our military. we are short on equipment, and the equipment we have is againg and rusting.
And the War in Iraq is taking funds away from that mission....
but once again a real debate on National Defense isn't something we are seeing in our government
We need to completely revamp our military. we are short on equipment, and the equipment we have is againg and rusting.
And the War in Iraq is taking funds away from that mission....
but once again a real debate on National Defense isn't something we are seeing in our government
“The Red Line around Baghdad”
Ok kids…. Let me say this. As Rep. Murtha is bringing up the issue of N.B.C weapons in Iraq any member of the military claiming Saddam would have used those weapons against our soldiers was out of their honkin mind.
If Saddam used them against US troops he would open the door for the same to be used against him, and he would lose what support he had in the world community.
Anyone who believed that was an utter fool.
Period.
Fantasy Speech II
Also from the fantasy world where I am some how able to speak as a member of congress.
[Congressman Larry Bernard R-Fl]
Mr. Speaker, members of this house, and my fellow Americans;
The other side in saying they are not given a real chance to debate are taking their time to claim an attack against a member of this house.
We are putting forth on my side of the aisle utter political gamesmanship.
I could argue for the war, but this debate about the war has nothing to do with the realities of the war.
This is a debate about nothing, so I will give the ultimate vote of present because this farce deserves nothing less.
When the other side put forward by their voices that this is a war “mislead” they have brought this upon them.
When members of the other body play smash mouth politics we bring this upon them.
Ladies and gentlemen lets bring this body back from the brink.
Let us both stop playing politics, I pray this house will follow my wisdom but I doubt we will.
When we impugn ourselves as we have in this debate we cast a sour taste in the mouths of the American people.
Lets get real, and lets do some real work.
Spider Hole
BTW:
By calling Saddam's hidey hole a spider hole you actually help Saddam
(*but the republican leadership is stupid)
as Muhammed the Prophet hid in a spider hole ( and a spider covered it with a web) when the Meccans came to kill him and he fled to Medina
by saying Spider Hole you empower islamic radicals
By calling Saddam's hidey hole a spider hole you actually help Saddam
(*but the republican leadership is stupid)
as Muhammed the Prophet hid in a spider hole ( and a spider covered it with a web) when the Meccans came to kill him and he fled to Medina
by saying Spider Hole you empower islamic radicals
Closing with Nancy Pelosi......
WTF mate?
seriously what the heck are the house democrats thinking...
Steny Hoyer had the best closing. This speech by pelosi is so utterly attrocious and from a woman who wanted to pull a stunt ala Harry Reid calling it a stunt makes me physically ill.
I think Jack Murtha did this on purpose... I think the democrats decided now was a time to pick a fight. But hearing people croon about being a vet makes me ill right now
The Democrats are only slightly more repugnant right now.. but I am so disgusted by both parties
seriously what the heck are the house democrats thinking...
Steny Hoyer had the best closing. This speech by pelosi is so utterly attrocious and from a woman who wanted to pull a stunt ala Harry Reid calling it a stunt makes me physically ill.
I think Jack Murtha did this on purpose... I think the democrats decided now was a time to pick a fight. But hearing people croon about being a vet makes me ill right now
The Democrats are only slightly more repugnant right now.. but I am so disgusted by both parties
Fantasy Posting
Since I hear these people who have no idea how to speak as members of congress I take this moment to speak as a fantasy member of congress… Mainly because they all suck as public speakers
[Representative Bernard R-Fl]
Mr. Speaker;
I have heard the members on the other side of the aisle say words, say words that imply that this house, this government, and those of us who support the war are playing politics.
Well Mr. Speaker, I will say that tonight and on this rule and resolution we are indeed playing politics and so are the members on the other side of the aisle.
I’ve heard “lies”, “mislead”, “don’t question our patriotism” and a host of other sound bytes that play well for the Democratic fundraisers but not for the realities of the war.
I see members of a party which have a grassroots base mobilized against the war dancing for their base.
I am a politician, and when I am not kissing babies I am out there stealing their lollipops and lying to them. But let’s be truthful.
The policies of Moveon.org and International A.N.S.W.E.R no more address realities then does blindly embracing the failures of this administration in how they carried out this war. No one in this body has a moral bone to raise and point a finger equally lacking in morality and saying “J’Acusse!”
I will vote for the rule, but vote present on the resolution. I reject the gamesmanships and politicization of this war by my party and yours. I support the administrations stand because even in its failures it is closer to being adult then anything the other side has to offer.
With our budget defeats the members on the other side of the aisle have shown they have the power to have brought forth a real debate… brought forth a real oversight to this war. Instead this house and the upper chamber dance for political opinion and not realities of this war.
I am sickened to be a member of this house. And I hope after this vote we can work to honor our troops and our citizens not debase them and dishonor them as we have in how we debate this war and the most serious issue of our time.
Lets vote and get this done.
Thanks to the Tom and Katie folks
For giving me a surge in my viewership.
I tend to say Anti-Scientology things when I get news tossed out that I can comment on so keep me in mind.
I tend to say Anti-Scientology things when I get news tossed out that I can comment on so keep me in mind.
"Your kids won't be fighting over there..."
Less then 1% of the american population is in the US military
Lets say .1% of the population is in the active armed services right now.
we have 435 members of congres
435 X .001 =.435 i.e less then one member of congress would be representative of congressmen as a member of the US population.
So if just a single member of congress has a child in the war then the members of congress are -more likely- to have children in the war then the general public.
and thats assuming that you are counting the population in Iraq as the full military population.
The larges plurality of our servicemen and women are in Iraq right now...if not an outright majority ( and this doesn't factor in nationaguardmen and women either).
Lets not repeat that bogus myth folks....
Lets say .1% of the population is in the active armed services right now.
we have 435 members of congres
435 X .001 =.435 i.e less then one member of congress would be representative of congressmen as a member of the US population.
So if just a single member of congress has a child in the war then the members of congress are -more likely- to have children in the war then the general public.
and thats assuming that you are counting the population in Iraq as the full military population.
The larges plurality of our servicemen and women are in Iraq right now...if not an outright majority ( and this doesn't factor in nationaguardmen and women either).
Lets not repeat that bogus myth folks....
While we hear about how Bush "lied"
Lets thank Gay Patriot for this source to say otherwise.
**FULL DISCLAIMER FIRST**
But a pac can have legitimate information so lets roll that bean footage.
And since the IRAQ SURVEY GROUP was well... surveying IRAQ of course it wouldn't find weapons that are outside of Iraq.
Looking at the fact several former Baathists are now in Yemen and offered positions in the Yemeni military it begins to make you wonder about the Scudesque missles being shipped into Yemen by Kim Jung Il.
But until Iraq was calmer ( and it is calmer now) and until people were safer with their families no actual progress could have been made.
So folks... Syria hasn't been investigated. And we have instability on the Harrari case...
and rumors and half news items talking that Assad wants protection outside of Syria makes me wonder about some of the house cleaning that happened in Syria.
but he adds in another Jab about the No WMD crowd.
Why would the Canuk PM say this well after the US government declared "No WMD existed."
Well charley the Canadian Navy was responsible for much of the UN embargo actions on Iraq during the time period of the war. So Paul Martin and his government if any boats got through their blockades would have real and credible knowledge on the subject.
Curiouser and Curiouser
**FULL DISCLAIMER FIRST**
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It is VanguardPAC's mission to help create a farm team of activists and candidates across America ready and able to take leadership, from the lowest level to the highest, effectively implementing the ideas of liberty.
But a pac can have legitimate information so lets roll that bean footage.
In a report which might alternately be termed “stunning” or “terrifying”, United Nations weapons inspectors confirmed last week not merely that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, but that he smuggled them out of his country, before, during and after the war.
Late last week, the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC) briefed the Security Council on Saddam's lightning-fast dismantling of missile and WMD sites before and during the war. UNMOVIC executive chairman Demetrius Perricos detailed not only the export of thousands of tons of missile components, nuclear reactor vessels and fermenters for chemical and biological warheads, but also the discovery of many (but not most) of these items - with UN inspection tags still on them -- as far afield as Jordan, Turkey and even Holland
And since the IRAQ SURVEY GROUP was well... surveying IRAQ of course it wouldn't find weapons that are outside of Iraq.
Looking at the fact several former Baathists are now in Yemen and offered positions in the Yemeni military it begins to make you wonder about the Scudesque missles being shipped into Yemen by Kim Jung Il.
But until Iraq was calmer ( and it is calmer now) and until people were safer with their families no actual progress could have been made.
Perricos highlighted the proliferation danger to the Security Council, as well he should: UNMOVIC has no idea where most of the WMD material is today, just that it exists and it's gone; and anything in Syria is likely to be in Jerusalem or New York tomorrow.
So folks... Syria hasn't been investigated. And we have instability on the Harrari case...
and rumors and half news items talking that Assad wants protection outside of Syria makes me wonder about some of the house cleaning that happened in Syria.
but he adds in another Jab about the No WMD crowd.
You probably haven't heard about Canada's Prime Minister Paul Martin either -- a socialist and no friend of America. Addressing a group of 700 university researchers and business leaders in Montreal last month, Martin stated bluntly that terrorists have acquired WMDs from Saddam. “The fact is that there is now, we know well, a proliferation of nuclear weapons, and that many weapons that Saddam Huseein had, we don't know where they are…. [T]errorists have access to all of them,” the Canadian premier warned.
Why would the Canuk PM say this well after the US government declared "No WMD existed."
Well charley the Canadian Navy was responsible for much of the UN embargo actions on Iraq during the time period of the war. So Paul Martin and his government if any boats got through their blockades would have real and credible knowledge on the subject.
Curiouser and Curiouser
It came from the email box ( and from a dubious source)
I'm not accounting for the accuracy of this... but I think this source may be right ( but I sure as heck hope not)
and strangely no Cuban members of congress are there
and strangely no Cuban members of congress are there
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
<> LA VOZ DE AZTLAN NEWS BULLETIN <>
<><><> Los Angeles, Alta California <><><><>
November 18, 2005
Congressional Hispanic Caucus to vote for
the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
A poll of the 21 members of the Congressional Hispanic
Caucus indicates that they will be voting for the withdrawal
of US troops from Iraq in a historic vote expected to take
place at 7:00 PM (EST) tonight. The caucus voted
unanimously against a resolution authorizing George Bush to
attack Iraq on Friday, October 11, 2002. That Roll Call
Vote is published at: http://www.aztlan.net/rollcallvote.htm
Attacking Iraq was a major mistake. The war was justified by
the Bush Administration through shameful lies and deceit.
As of today it has cost the lives of 2,085 US soldiers and
15,568 US soldiers wounded. Approximately 15% of these are
Mexican-American and other Latinos. It is estimated that
60, 000 Iraqi civilians have been killed. Many of these are
women and children.
If the Roll Call Vote takes place tonight as expected, La
Voz de Aztlan will report on how each elected representative
voted.
MEMBERS OF THE CONGRESSIONAL
HISPANIC CAUCUS
------------------------------------------------------------
CHAIR - Grace Flores Napolitano (CA-38)
1st VICE CHAIR - Joe Baca (CA-43)
2nd VICE CHAIR - Raúl Grijalva (AZ-7)
WHIP - Lucille Roybal-Allard (CA-34)
MEMBERSHIP
Xavier Becerra (CA-31)
Dennis Cardoza (CA-18)
Jim Costa (CA-20)
Henry Cuellar (TX-28)
Charles A. Gonzalez (TX-20)
Luis V. Gutierrez (IL-4)
Rubén Hinojosa (TX-15)
Robert Menendez (NJ-13)
Solomon Ortiz (TX-27)
Ed Pastor (AZ-4)
Silvestre Reyes (TX-16)
John Salazar (CO-3)
Linda T. Sánchez (CA-39)
Loretta Sanchez (CA-47)
José Serrano (NY-16)
Hilda Solis (CA-32)
Nydia Velázquez (NY-12)
HErk
When i said Murrah I ment Murtha
When I am slightly agitated I some times let small errors happen
When I am slightly agitated I some times let small errors happen
Here I fall Alice
Flawed policy wrapped in delusion or is it illusion?
Avoidance and misdirection… this has become the Democrats policy on Iraq. I am re-listening to the Murrah point and again we hear the same tired point about how “you never served”
He lies about Abu Ghraib and about the fact this was an official group as opposed to the reality that these folks were a unofficial group that did far more then torture and showed they were utterly deranged…He has followed the path of Demagoguery that the Democratic party is playing from in the war.. and he says as some one who serves, yet slanders troops he some how has a moral superiority to speak?
Let’s forget the fact that not every American will ever have the chance to serve in combat. So then are women un-allowed to speak? How about homosexuals? Let’s forget the undemocratic nature of the assertion he avoided the question.
The Democrats have buyer’s remorse. Democrats were afraid of the political fallout from this war. They had the same intelligence they did in the 98 … they had a much more raw form of the intelligence then the President did.
The intelligence was wrong… By no standard from multiple investigators on either side of the Atlantic was any trickery brought on the intelligence.
If they could admit “the war was wrong but I voted for it out of political opportunism” or “I didn’t want to pay a price this high” at least then we could have an honest Debate on the war and on the policy. But instead we hear “lies” and “mislead” and “deceived” out of the Democratic leaders.
Here on my TV now this reality of Abu Ghraib twisted and manipulated and a man saying “my authority is beyond appeal.” And I am sickened that this is a man who uses the red stains on his toga veralis to allow such lies to be given legitimacy.
He is a partisan hack… The Democratic Party is not engaging in an honest debate and calling the other side “Liar~!” is this real? Am I living in some kind of illusionary reality?
I tell you…. I could almost vote for Katherine Harris… I could almost make myself do it as the Democrats are showing themselves right now so utterly unworthy of casting a single vote on my behalf or in my name.
Avoidance and misdirection… this has become the Democrats policy on Iraq. I am re-listening to the Murrah point and again we hear the same tired point about how “you never served”
He lies about Abu Ghraib and about the fact this was an official group as opposed to the reality that these folks were a unofficial group that did far more then torture and showed they were utterly deranged…He has followed the path of Demagoguery that the Democratic party is playing from in the war.. and he says as some one who serves, yet slanders troops he some how has a moral superiority to speak?
Let’s forget the fact that not every American will ever have the chance to serve in combat. So then are women un-allowed to speak? How about homosexuals? Let’s forget the undemocratic nature of the assertion he avoided the question.
The Democrats have buyer’s remorse. Democrats were afraid of the political fallout from this war. They had the same intelligence they did in the 98 … they had a much more raw form of the intelligence then the President did.
The intelligence was wrong… By no standard from multiple investigators on either side of the Atlantic was any trickery brought on the intelligence.
If they could admit “the war was wrong but I voted for it out of political opportunism” or “I didn’t want to pay a price this high” at least then we could have an honest Debate on the war and on the policy. But instead we hear “lies” and “mislead” and “deceived” out of the Democratic leaders.
Here on my TV now this reality of Abu Ghraib twisted and manipulated and a man saying “my authority is beyond appeal.” And I am sickened that this is a man who uses the red stains on his toga veralis to allow such lies to be given legitimacy.
He is a partisan hack… The Democratic Party is not engaging in an honest debate and calling the other side “Liar~!” is this real? Am I living in some kind of illusionary reality?
I tell you…. I could almost vote for Katherine Harris… I could almost make myself do it as the Democrats are showing themselves right now so utterly unworthy of casting a single vote on my behalf or in my name.
Pat Robertson: Still a Idiot
Home School Movement Needs Metal Detectors, Says Pat Robertson
Biff Scuzzy , 15.11.2005 23:47
VIRGINIA BEACH, Vir. - Calling the shooting deaths of Michael and Cathryn Borden "the home schooling movement's very own Columbine," televangelist Pat Robertson urged parents who home school their children to install metal detectors in their houses.
Read the whole story Instead of focusing on the fact crazy people are well..... crazy we now see the utter lunacy that the left would put forward for our public schools now trying to be placed in our homes.
Robertson is a moron folks.... Periodically we need to see it again to remind us.
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